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In 1949, True Magazine called Major T. Hall and asked him in for a conference.

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The flying saucer business was pretty hot.

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In fact, they told him that it was a hot potato.

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And since he has written aviation stories for True Magazine and all the leading magazines on the market today,

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they asked him to investigate flying saucers and see what he could dig up.

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With his military background, he knew many people, high in government, new flyers,

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and quite a number of people who could possibly help him with his investigation.

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Major T. Hall admits that when he first came into the True Magazine's view of his assignment,

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that he was a strong skeptic.

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But after eight months of intensive investigation, Major T. Hall became convinced that these things were real.

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Major T. Hall was dedicated to this work because he believes in the truth

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and he's serving at present, in fact for the last years and a half,

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as the director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena.

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As I said to you during this work, because he believes in trying to pin this thing down

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for the American people who know and believe these things do exist.

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Now, I have known Major T. Hall personally.

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I'm not from Cleveland, from Pittsburgh.

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I've known Major T. Hall for about six or eight months.

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During that time, I've been able to grow to admire and respect a man for what he stands for and his fight.

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It's a deed of honor and a purpose for me to present Major Donald T. Hall.

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Thank you ladies and gentlemen.

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And I'm playing out on a long limb, Mr. Turgels,

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to run out of every case that's ever been reported or published.

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So I know somebody will just be left about the first to second question tonight.

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During the past 12 years, there have been thousands of reports of strange objects operating in our skies.

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These have been reported all over the United States and in most parts of the world.

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The Air Force is a spokesman who several years ago on many states

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that have been hiding every flying saucer report to be found in religious fanatics.

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A publicity secret or some other idiot.

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So I would like to give you the names of a few of the idiots and fanatics.

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Dr. Clayton Williams Tombo, known as Mr. Tarnum, was discovered upon the Proodtable.

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He was chosen by the Air Force to search for unknown natural satellites.

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He has personally cited UFOs.

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He states these things which do appear to be directed by unlike any other phenomenon I ever observed.

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No one so far has surefire as through poop.

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But other stars in our galaxy may have entered the thousands of inhabitable worlds.

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Racers in these worlds may have been able to utilize the tremendous amounts of power

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required to bridge the space between the stars.

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And here's another name.

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Captain Richard K. S. American Airlines, who were thousands of people in Indianapolis

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and among them about 20 pilots.

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So a UFO speeding over that city, he said, it was a control craft of some kind,

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going three times faster than we were and he was going 300.

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Captain Richard had a CWA pilot.

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He saw one of the seven pastings in his crew.

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He said, I wasn't convinced before, now I know these things do exist.

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We're in the middle of the Collier Aviation Trophy, present in the Warrant Clubs,

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which has about $10 million in defense contracts.

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He has seen the UFO and he said, I believe they come from outer space

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and are powered by beams of superior intelligence.

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I won't give you the course from these other names, I just give a few.

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Captain Raymond Ryan, American Airlines, Captain Jean Talin,

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British O.C. aircraft corporation, Captain W.B. Nassman, American,

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Colonel Frank Milani, Director of the Defense and Border Forces,

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flight attendant, J.L. Collins, and the rest of the world.

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Of course, and hundreds of others.

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Most of these witnesses have said that these things were machines under intelligent control

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and a group percent of them, at least 10 percent of them,

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have said that they're convinced these are machines from outer space.

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Now, just to indicate the type of report, pardon me just a moment,

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we just rolled down the house way, please a little, I am standing here looking out at brightness.

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I'd like to see the people on the floor.

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Pleasantly, the National Rescuitations Committee, which I am director,

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received a communication from four Berlin rocket engineers

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and a large company out on the West Coast.

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This was passed on to us, this picture, which is a photo-staff of an artist sketch

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made up from the information these four engineers gave him.

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You may not be able to see it, but I will, and I just want to show you that it does exist.

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This is a an elliptical shape object or cigar shape object with two small devices,

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which were moving in formation at an estimated altitude of 10,000 feet

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over the San Fernando Valley.

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This report has more than ordinary values, not because these men are rocket engineers,

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but what happened to them after they said in the report

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that the man who was spoken to the group said,

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you can now put me on the list of people who are convinced that flying saucers are real.

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And then he describes how the three E and three others saw this object

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while they were driving away from the plant before 20s on the afternoon of November 16th.

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What we saw was a large cigar shape or a between cigar and H shaped object,

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bright silver on top, bright orange underneath, with two smaller disc shaped objects nearby.

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They stayed in the same old position during the entire time they were in view.

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There was no point to us trail or sound from the object.

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The estimated speed ranged at least to 5000 miles per hour.

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The object crew in view only spoke 70 seconds and were destined to reclining when they disappeared.

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The visibility was unlimited.

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The large object was about the size of a DC6 airliner and perhaps larger.

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Now the four men on the back of the car from which this was photostatted signed their statement.

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The painting on the opposite face of this card is a reasonably accurate reproduction of objects

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and by the hand is signed an afternoon of November 11th.

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I had to date long.

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1937, now approximately 4.20pm while driving from the company's facility at Sexton Such Place.

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The objects were traveling in a general southwesterly direction across the San Fernando Valley.

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One side at the estimated speed 5000 miles an hour while the estimated altitude 10,000 feet.

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The objects were traveling to 30,000 feet.

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Now these men were well known to an analytical engineer who was a personal friend of mine, Philadelphia.

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He passed for all four albums and I had a contact on the West Coast check also.

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At the time this information was given to me or given to the National Investigations Committee,

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we were told that we could make it public.

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But since we didn't have permission to use the names, I sent a special register letter to the spokesman of the group.

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That was six weeks ago, we have had absolutely no answer.

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Since then I have found two other stores on the coast.

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The bees man who were looking for a large company, one of the best contracts,

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were told to keep their mouth shut and then on.

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That is one sample of the secrecy that is being used to cover the facts and hide the facts from American people.

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At the same time, audience members, this pressure comes not only from direct orders at that time,

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but from ridicule which was used last November to keep the facts from the public

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about the hundreds of sightings in this country and abroad.

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Artists resided in Texas by several unmatched control tower operators by a Navy test pilot,

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a number of people on the ground.

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They resided by an Air Force major and a number of airmen at Long Beach, California.

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A Navy pilot at Los Alamitos, two Haline captains from 20th and 30th state police in various states,

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and thousands of citizens throughout the country.

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Well, remember, one of the cases I forgot to mention,

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the several people aboard a coast guard cutter in the Gulf of Mexico,

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two deck officers, two radar men, and another enlisted man who was on the deck at the time.

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On this vessel they tracked a strange object which was circling in concentric circles around the cutter

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for some time and it speed varied from about 100 miles an hour at one moment on up to about a thousand.

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The object resided basically by these two deck officers who have been on the coast guard for at least six years.

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An Air Force official report and the coast guard considered it so important that they held a special press conference of New Orleans

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and put the story on the rise.

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Within a day or two after that, they have also had additional sightings from some of their old personnel

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including a rocket expert of Alamito Gordo and MTS who were under the advice and proving that,

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building up so fast that it is obvious that the secrecy was going to break.

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So they had to take scientific measures around release all information they had been withholding for several years.

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They put out a statement finally and said that every case they had examined had proved to be either a hoax or a delusion of some kind

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of people reporting them had in effect been incompetent.

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They secluded their own pilots, Navy pilot CA personnel and the coast guard men.

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When that happened, the newspapers immediately stopped sending flight sources of boards and the Air Force was again in the clear for a while

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without having to answer the reason for the secrecy.

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You may wonder what is back of this and there have been a lot of explanations.

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The first one was just came into our possession.

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The opinion of the congressman who gave this answer to a member of my cast, the National Investigations Committee on the Old Phenomenal.

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He said, I quite agree with you that the general public should be allowed information thus far known about flying objects,

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except of course, in the case where they might become unduly alarmed or panicked by such a revelation.

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I am sure you can readily understand and appreciate the seriousness of such a reaction.

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The best information could be presented to the American public in such a way as to appeal to reason and not to emotion.

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I think it would be a good thing.

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Signed Ralph J. Scott.

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He is not the only man in Congress who had the feeling that the information should be given to the American people.

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Not long ago, Senator Barry Goldwater, a very honest, who was also an Air Force reserve colonel,

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made a statement confirming something he told me over a year ago.

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He said that he was convinced that the flying saucers were real.

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He had not seen any himself, but he knew many men who had flown in the Air Force, but then,

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and were now airline pilots, and they had seen these things flying close enough, alongside their planes, to be sure they were real and under control.

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Very added that although the Air Force had a prospect to investigate this, that when you asked them anything about it, they climbed up.

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Now here is the United States Senator who admitted that he couldn't get the information, even though besides being a senator, he was in the Air Force.

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That's just how hard it is.

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The reason which Representative Scott suggested was that there was something that could cross Australia.

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Now let's go back and see whether there is any reason to believe that there is danger back of the flying saucers.

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When the first big scare began in 47, more people thought that was the beginning of flying saucer reports.

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Actually, there had been flying reports going back many years. Some of them similar to present day sightings for almost two centuries.

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Now you don't have to accept both, although some of them came from astronomers and sea captains and others who were considered reliable and trained to build it.

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Bringing it up to the present, in World War II there were hundreds of these objects cited by pilots in the Allied Air Forces and as we discovered later, by German pilots and the Japanese.

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Now there was fear at that time because we thought the peace were German devices which might possibly be intended to crash into Allied planes and the Germans thought that they were American devices to keep them away from our craft.

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At the end of the war we ran a very special investigation and came out with absolutely no answers except that the things had been seen and so they seal up the report and it hasn't been released to this date.

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In 46 and 47 there were reports most of which never became public although the Pentagon was well aware of them.

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And then the big excitement began in 47 as these things were seen all over this country and practically all over the world.

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There was a great deal of excitement and confusion in Washington because for a while they were afraid that the Soviets had gotten ahead of us with the aid of German engineers and in two years after the end of World War II had turned out a global weapon completely superior to anything that we had.

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It seemed almost impossible but that was the fear for a little while. For six months they did a very intensive check with the aid of British intelligence and in the meantime, air-tactical intelligence at Whitefield wrote out an official document and sent it into the Pentagon and said whatever they were these things were real.

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By December they had ruled out the Russian answers which left it either a question mark or one that was already being suggested that these things might be in the planetary.

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And in 1948 Captain Mandel was killed chasing a flying saucer. That case is known practically to any one, everyone who has read anything about flying saucers.

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The Air Force admitted that he had been chasing a UFO or a flying saucer as they were officially called and they started a secret project which went for about two years and they had highly qualified scientists and engineers, rocket men, pilots and intelligence officers.

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The air-tactical intelligence officers was a very expensive deal and they went into all of these these sightings and they were up to the middle of 49 and they were considering all of the answers including the interplanetary because the Air-tactical intelligence center in 48 had decided and stated in a top secret estimate that these things were interplanetary spaceships.

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That was mainly cause because of the Mandel case. Out of HATIC there was a general feeling that Mandel had simply gotten too close to this spaceship and even had gotten into a force field, it was operated, it happened to be operating with artificial gravity or electromagnetic field which had shaken its plane apart or else that he had gotten too excited and climbed up too high and blacked out from lack of oxygen.

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But regardless of the cause they believed that he was killed by coming too close to this spaceship. So here was the Air Force secretly on record at least one unit on record as believing that these were interplanetary craft and the public information officers were saying we haven't any information at all.

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At the end of that year they decided on a policy which has been in effect for one period up to date and that was to investigate intensively and secretly and to cover up by denying that just any evidence of these things existed.

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In 1950 they say most of the binary part of the four and so forth, that statement was made and in 51 everything was still in that same condition until White Sands reported that they had filmed two UFOs doing gutted missile tests.

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And not only had filmed them, they had tracked them by radar, these things were seen visually from the air and on the ground and they were at high speed and altitude and speed were computed by the sunlight.

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So all this information was on record that here were two objects moving at tremendous speed and apparently observing the missile tests at White Sands.

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One estimate worked out by a guided missile expert and Air Force officer was at this, the first object seen was at least 300 feet diameter and the speed was approximately 2000 miles an hour.

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All that helped to reverse things with Pentagon and they started a new investigation similar to the first project with a new code name Blue Book.

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In 52 a storm woke loose when they began to have hundreds of sightings and most of them coming from military naval pilots and airline personnel and the C88 people of the Air Force.

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Some of these are probably unknown to many of you but I'll mention a few of them. Captain W. Bing Nash was named by Red Officer Wally Gawhee and his co-pilot saw eight 100 foot discs flying beneath their airliners near Norfolk.

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I kept in Carpenter on the American Airlines pilot so an object, if you were flying toward Denver, which was making the estimated about 3000 miles an hour.

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There were some of the reports coming in but temporarily it only went out to get one of these things down by any means possible.

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Before this they had been in order to get one down, they could even land or ram one and bail out but no one tried it although several pilots did fire at these objects and when the order was reportedly rescinded.

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But the mystery had begun to rise by that time so that you had reporters all over the United States, reporters that watched them representing papers from all over the country,

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standing on a Pentagon and demanding the answers. They decided to debunk the whole thing and held a big press conference and wind it on temperature inversions.

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Now this meant that all of these people had been seeing were malice if you accepted that answer.

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That included the formation seen over Washington Airport moving at speeds from about 140 miles an hour up to one measured speed, radar measured speed of 7,200.

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These things were seen visually exactly where the radar attacked them.

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They were seen by many in the towers at Andrews Field and Airport and in two airliners and one civil air not explained.

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And before dawn, getting glad enough to see, several of these discs were seen out near the edge of Washington by an already-engineered WRC transmitting station.

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He gave a description of them and they looked exactly like what Captain Nice and others had reported. Metal discs about 300 feet in diameter.

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Now after this debucking in 52, there was a quiet decision in the Pentagon to reverse everything and begin to get out this information.

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It's happened that no one knew about the changes. They didn't want to go on and say, look, we're here for the information.

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They waited for people to ask. But the reporters had been turned down so frequently.

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But for a long time, no one wanted to ask about any setting reports. The airport has debunked it, so they said, let's go and fly there.

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And I was tipped off about this. And I went into Pentagon and for the next, possibly six to eight months, I was given the top cases in intelligence files.

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It was declassified for me. And the plan was to release this information through the press corps and to show a movie film taken by a Navy ward officer which portrayed a flying saucer formation over Utah, taken in broad daylight.

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This film was the air life of the Air Force in the Navy for six months. And I have seen the key points of the Navy analysis, which said that these things could not be any known documents.

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They had no answer to the aircraft and they had no answer for them. But they did seem to be machines under intelligent control.

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Now, if this had come out, the whole thing would have broken right down there because they would have had to give all the answers.

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So, a flight broke out in the Pentagon and they decided not to release any of the information, followed up tighter than ever.

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Some of the cases they had given me were reclassified. But I had already received the classification sheet saying that these cases were given to me and printed.

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And they couldn't get them back. So I had these and they were published in the book that came out that fall.

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One of them is most important cases was the famous Gulf of Mexico sighting where the crew of the B-29 bomber tracked a very large craft estimated to be at least a thousand feet in length, probably considerably larger.

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And three formations of smaller units, the last group of which seemed to board this large one. At least they merged on the radar scope and this motor ship or whatever it was, accelerated and went off the scope at more than 9,000 miles an hour.

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Now, here was the officially certified case that was just right on the record and in doubt it couldn't get around it. In spite of that, the rib was on so tightly that very few pilots were talking.

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And then there's one thing, one case that happened in the fall, late fall of 53, that really ruined the censorship as tight as it could be at that time.

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And that was the famous F-89 case when a two-seat Air Force interceptor vanished chasing a flying saucer over Lake Superior.

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The saucer had been picked up by Air Force ground radar flying over the Sun Lock switch, as you all know, as an important target.

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So they dispatched this F-89 and the plane followed this jet and started out of the object out over the lake.

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And back at GCI, that's Ground Control Interceptor, these radar eyes first watched these two books on the scope as the Air Force jet began to close in.

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And on the scope, the two books were about that far apart and they gradually closed and they were just expecting, they were expecting more than any moment that the radar operator aboard the jet had picked up the thing on his set and they were about to close in.

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And the first time these two books came together, the first time the scope.

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And it blossomed into a very large spot and immediately Ground Control called the jet and asked what had happened.

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There was no answer. They called several times and finally they sent out fiction rescue units and they took the surface vessels and planes from the United States and Canada for 48 hours.

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And there was nothing that was ever found, not even an oil slick.

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The Air Force, very strangely, let this leak out.

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Not the true telcospace, the senior public information officer gave a statement to the Associated Press that the jet had been tracked by a radar, ground radar, until it marked with an unidentified object 80 miles off, keeping no point.

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The story appeared in one issue, the Chicago Trident was immediately killed.

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And for a while the Pentagon denied it, but I happened to, someone told me about this clipping and I got a photo scoff of the story and it could be written and they finally admitted it, but then said that the radar man had been completely misled and one of this other object was, it was about 20 miles away.

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So that's the way it's good, but nobody explained what happened to this jet.

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Because of that there was a new fear because either the thing had been completely destroyed by this UFO, which could mean an accident or hostility, or an even more fantastic answer was suggested, which seemed quite outlandish at that time, because that was four years ahead of the Sputniks.

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And that was that, whoever these creatures were, they might be trying to carry someone back to wherever they came from, the planet, such as we would, if we went to Mars, we would probably try to bring back a Martian or two if there were any, and try to stay them here.

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Well that idea began to spread in spite of the ridicule that it received from the Pentagon and elsewhere, and a number of interceptor pilots, they said they didn't believe a word that I also admitted that they were not going to close in with any UFOs.

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The horrors were, if you are tempted to intercept the UFO, try to get gun camera pictures of it, which many of them have done.

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And a gun attack analyzed the objects in coastal, and one pilot, a major in the Air Force, told me, and didn't worry about an order like that.

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He said, I think it could be committing suicide.

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So there, as you see, there was a time-bran for fear, at least the minds of people who had been near these things.

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In 1953, there was an attempt to, an afternoon attempt, to clear this all up and give to the public, in addition to the plan that the Air Force originally had.

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Strangely enough, this came from the Central Intelligence Agency, which is very strongly involved in investigating UFOs.

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It's not generally known, but they are the ones, they are possibly the National Security Council, although we can't prove that, who accepted this.

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It sounds policy. They arranged for a meeting of top scientists at the Pentagon to investigate all the evidence and then tell them what to do.

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The scientists met and said they found there was, they found the evidence of any dangerous forces behind these UFOs, and they recommended giving all the information they had to the American people.

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That was completely rejected by the CIA and the Air Force, and that, that report was kept under wraps until about three months ago, when it was forced into the open,

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that the fact that even then, there has been no change in the secrecy.

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In 1954, there was a period of silence, there were few reports coming in, until Mars, near the planet Earth, every 26 months, Mars approached the coast,

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and whether it's coincidence or not, there is always an increase in finding reports of sources.

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And there were so many this time that it broke through the censorship, and dozens of reports from military pilots and air encampments, they came to hit the papers.

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One of these was a case of, reported by Mrs. Scarborough, a Marine Corps jet pilot, who was flying with three others over Dallas, Texas.

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We started a formation of 16 objects flying in groups of four.

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And Scarborough told me in a letter that these things were just moving at a speed that was almost incredible, that was almost impossible to believe it.

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There were the studies in Yugoslavia and France, the Scandinavian countries, Africa, South America, in fact, they get every country except behind the island,

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and it's a pleasure we found there were sightings there, although it's pretty hard to get any definite records, because it wasn't in Soviet.

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One of the most nasty sightings that came from RIS pilot Salomon, who almost collided head on with his flying saucer,

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during broad daylight in the latter part of 54, he said that this thing looked like two pans, inverted, right on top of the other with a little turret on the top and a flight projection underneath.

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This is the identical description given by hundreds of witnesses, and it matches the, to almost all agrees, was a picture taken in Brazil a few months ago,

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which was certified as genuine by the Brazilian naval ministry.

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So here are more cases coming in all the time, and yet this country and every government officially denies any evidence that these things existed.

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In the 55, the censorship had tightened, but there was one case that did get into the papers, when two of her first jets fired on a flying saucer near Los Fransal de Arre.

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The saucer was set on a weather balloon, apparently out of curiosity, and each jet came barreling in and opened fire and hit the balloon and set it on fire.

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This was seen by ground-observer cross-bodies, and made by town, and the story was immediately printed in the local newspaper.

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The Air Force, depending on denies, there has been any such incident.

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The commanding officer, perhaps he had admitted that they had jets that had been down there to investigate this weather balloon, but there had been no firing.

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But still is a case that is officially denied, in spite of hundreds of people in the streets and on top of the city hall building, you saw this incident take place.

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In the very part of 55, the Air Force found out that Captain Rizzo, who had formerly headed Project Blue Book, the agency investigating all these reports, was about to publish a book.

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And in this book, for a lot of things the Air Force has been sitting on for years, they put out a document known as Special Report 14, and in this, this is the Bible on which they stand today.

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And although I am sure that whoever is back to this policy believes it's in the best interest of the public, not to alarm people, it can only be described as a deliberately misleading official document.

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Because here are some of the statements they have made in this report.

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Regarding radar, it cannot be said with any assurance what these radar reports mean, but the most logical explanation here is that they are ground targets reflected by atmospheric temperature inversion layers.

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That was written in 1955, and in 1953, the Air Force has given me an official statement saying that they found that temperature inversion did not explain, even more than a fraction of the percent of the cases they have.

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Dr. Hagen, who is now the director of Project Bangbot, told me personally that it was nonsense that they had taken a bumping in temperature inversion to explain the things, these findings, and he said you couldn't possibly get visual and radar combinations of those kinds.

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They had taken Coltrane Center, through Captain Rupal sent me an official statement saying that they knew all about temperature inversions before they were suggested by the Commencement of Harvard, and they weren't having any part of it.

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So here is an answer that they gave when they knew that it was not true.

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Then they stated that it was impossible to build a working model of a flying saucer. They said out of those 74,000 cases examined, they found only 12 of their demo details to be of any use, and they called these cases, these 12 cases the cream of the crop.

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Well, they called some of the names I've mentioned to you, and here are a few of the cream of the crop cases.

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Case one, two men employed by a Rick Clinton employee, bounding across a bridge, he arrived 29-48, so an object right across the road, it was shining metallic, about 68 feet long, two feet wide, it was in a flat flight, and went down in the wooded area.

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It was a naval aviation student, and a number of people of the Drive-In movie saw some objects fly over the movie picture, over the Drive-In movie. They had a red glow about them.

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A part-time far away in a hurry and retreating to back in the night saw two cigar-shaped objects. I'm not the little-ing, these people, I'm not showing that, trying to show it up.

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They don't stand up to the professional pilot, flyer, and aviation experts and guided missile tractors who have reported the majority of these cases.

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Here's another one, an instrument technician, but he might be said to have had special training, because he was working for the Air Force.

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But here's another one, a electrician standing by the bathroom window of his home, facing west.

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He first spotted an object he ran to his kitchen, pointed out to his wife. Total time inside, 10 seconds.

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Object flew on a straight level course in west to east. Armory is two times eight, eight and ten.

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And so now there are four cases in there that I have already mentioned. Two airline reports, and one of two, and two airline cases.

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They say nothing at all about, for instance, Colonel Blake Slee, one commander of the Air Force, who reported closing the Energonicals Inn on a flying object.

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An armored report was written, this is definitely a report of an object in the family of UFO. No doubt about it, this is the correct report.

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All the reports by dozens of interceptor pilots have closed in on these things, and the majority of them described this case object.

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In 1949, the project, the Air Force released a report called Project Grudge. This was sent from Re-Classified in every part of the planet.

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The majority of findings, between 75 and 80%, described this shape of the object.

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Now it is very easy to make a working model of a disc, but you have to do it together.

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Two pans, two saucers, put them together and move from that.

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There is no problem involved. The second class listed in that report was the cigar shape object, and it is very easy to model a cigar or a locket.

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The third class was groups of objects seen at radio flights at night, moving to members' seats through complicated maneuvers.

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So here is the original report, which they quickly re-classified when they found it contradicts of Special 14.

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You cannot get any copy left, even if you are a condisementer, I ask for.

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Culture shift has gone on up to 55, and it continues steadily in the 56.

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And at that time, we began to think about establishing the national investigation committee.

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Before I go into that, there is one point that I see I overlooked you.

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When Captain Luke Lupov heard about this Special Report 14, he was so incensed that he said something which for him,

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was quite unusual. I asked him the millions personally, learning well, and in spite of the fact that he had a...

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He was working for an old aircraft, and was a contact man with the Air Force, so he was really jeopardizing his position.

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He released his public statement about this Special Report 14.

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He said, the most disdainful part of this Special Release was the statement that it was based on a study by a private scientific group under the supervision of APIC.

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It concluded that all of the rest of the European countries could be explained.

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This would be a shock to me because I was the one that had this study made.

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I worked for the people who made it. I know how they made it.

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It was not made to try to solve the overall UFO problem.

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It was an attempt to speak if a statistical study of UFO reports would give any indication there was something new or nothing about.

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As you are, after we have spent a considerable amount of money, and the Air Force is now going to our two million, and what they expect investigating,

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as you are, the statistical methods were noted for a study like this. They did not prove a thing.

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There was results with that study in circuitry, including men in different ways. You could prove anything you wanted to.

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First, there is not a good study. Another interesting point is that the report was finished in September 1953 and was not released as, quote,

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the latest hot-sup, unquote, until October 55. So here was a man that arranged for this, and knew all about it,

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and had written it all for one with most of the other people out of Dayton, exposing it.

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The Air Force, or someone in the Air Force, recalibrated by issuing a statement later that they had never at any time

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created, coordinated, sponsored, or in any other way arranged any material about UFOs in a book,

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or picture, article, or anything else except releasing official press release.

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We checked through the security and review office, and it's been gone after Nightcap was established,

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and I saw that on December 5, 1955, Captain Ruppel's book was cleared by Security and Review.

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The Air Force was still making a statement that they had never cleared any books or anything else.

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Now, in 1956, Nightcap was organized to try to break this secrecy.

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The reason was that I had found that a one-man fight was no good.

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Bang my head against the censorship law, not steadily since 1949, but I had tried all

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the time to break the secrecy, and I could see that it would never work.

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I didn't organize Nightcap. It was done by another man, and a few months later, he wanted to

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start up some engineering work, and the board spoke to me and his director.

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The board of directors of Nightcap will give some indication of what kind of a group it is.

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On that board are Vice Admiral Barry Chilling Carter, who is the director of the CIA,

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a real Admiral Herbert Knowles, Colonel Robert Amerson, Major D. Farnay, who was on the Air Force's

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Blue Book Project, and a J. B. Hartcraft, who is head of the Aircraft Powers and Owners Association.

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They are the ones who shouted to the loudspeaker that they helped stop the spinners from flying jets across the airways

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and banging them in the air like that.

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And there are others, Frank Edwards, who is probably well known as the newscaster.

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So religious writers, educators, people who are respecting their right to field.

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We have special advisors who are astronomers, gatherings of experts, radar authorities, radar technicians.

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People who can explore the face-face of the USO setting.

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Now, with that hearing of the board and panel, it made it a little bit difficult for this science group in the Air Force and the CIA to attack Nightcap.

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It was very easy to attack me because they've been doing it since 49.

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But they didn't like to jump on Vice Admiral's, and people who were probably, would probably jump right back at them.

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So for a short time, there seemed to be a truth.

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Admiral Pawnee, after the forward head of Navy Goddard missiles, made this statement, which was widely printed, and cars, and great dealers, this man, the Pentagon,

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said the allowable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds.

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No agency in this country or Russia is able to duplicate at this time the high speeds and accelerations.

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The radar and the blurers indicate these objects can achieve.

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There are signs that the bottom intelligence directs these objects because of the way they fly, the way they change position information to indicate their motion is directed.

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As long as their time identified objects continue to navigate through the earth's atmosphere, though there is an urgent need to know the facts.

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Many jurors have seeked to report their findings to the Air Force because of the seeming frustration, that is, all the information going in and then coming out.

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We, the back-up, are in position to screen independently all UFO information coming in from our solar groups.

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All right, thank you all much, approval, the Pentagon, and I was told that we were going to be attacked.

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For about two months, nothing happened.

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We began to get reports which I never could have gotten individually.

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We delayed quite a while and came in from the far east and described the chase of a huge disc shaped object by an Air Force jet.

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This jet had picked up the object on radar and, well, after calling the ground, was told to try to contact it.

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He tore down full throttle and when he was about eight miles from it, he saw this thing visually exactly where the radar showed it.

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It was perfectly round, low, but patrol, no indication of its means of propulsion.

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He was able to get within five miles of it and then, so went out to kill it, he could see that it was round on the bottom, it was a perfect disc.

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The turret and trained at such a speed that his radio-forces device, which would have indicated negative on the dial,

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went through off the bit and the dial, but even though he computed and recognized the bits that it was going, at least 2,000 miles an hour,

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he was pulled away from it.

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That set off an investigation out in the far east all the way up to the original ground.

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And to report that it was certified, there was no question about it.

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The radar was working perfectly and the pilot was an extremely competent flyer.

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Now, this was kept under wraps until we were told about it and when we made the public,

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the United Press asked the Pentagon for a comment, whether if he would make any statement at all on this case,

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and they still have not made any statement because they know it's an official record.

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In the spring of 57, we had another tip and that came, well, I won't name the source or indicate the source,

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but it was about a sighting by radar servers, civil rights administrators and servers in the power and airport in California.

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They observed a number of UFOs traveling up to a maximum speed of 3,600 miles an hour.

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And these, the track showed that one of these objects was exactly over auctioned airport space at a certain time,

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and the papers for the next morning carried reports by a wife of an airport pilot that she had seen an object coming over auctioned base

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and then moving at high speeds.

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Several airmen also confirmed this and people around the country and the servers of Los Angeles.

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The Air Force denied that this object had ever been tracked on radar and it was the CIA with a full report

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which under the rule passed to go to the Air Force.

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So they knew about it and again, when they were asked for a comment, they refused to give any answer.

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We have dozens of those reports and then we finally, at the suggestion before it,

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I finally asked the Secretary of the Air Force for several key cases.

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We also offered the Air Force full cooperation in trying to explain the subject to the people and help prepare them in any way that we could.

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The Air Force on July 15th sent a letter back and rejected our request for the sightings.

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About one week later, Major General General W. W. T. Kelly, the Director of Legislative Liaison,

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wrote to a number of people and stated that the Director of NightCat had received all the information on UFOs

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and the files in the hands of the United States Air Force.

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This statement was given to the producer of the program Night Beat on which I appeared

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and he thought he was going to have a great time by throwing it at me

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but someone, a friend of mine in the Pentagon, had took me off ahead of time

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so I produced the letter from the Air Force showing that they had denied it.

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But the Air Force made the mistake of giving the same statement to Admiral John Horstens,

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the Director of Detransification and he accepting at face value

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and it went on to one of our advisors.

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And it just happened that Admiral Horstens and I were in the same battalion,

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the same company of an Air Force and we were all buddies.

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I called him up and asked him what the idea was because I didn't know how it came and I said

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I thought you would just help declassify things.

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He said, you mean that wasn't true?

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I said no, I said that's what we follow.

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And I don't think there's a little boring point but he didn't like that.

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And he said you may quote me what I just said to the Air Force

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and try to use that as a lever to get these things out of him

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because I was told that's leaving you all the reports all the time.

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I turned his arrow over back to General Kelly.

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I'm 13th of November and so I assure you the Air Force never intended to tell

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oh we're caught, I'm sure he's only filed to your organization.

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So here's one statement given to the public that we had everything

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and actually they had no intention and such so.

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Well this situation was about a stalemate when the November flag started.

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I met the metal while I go. These cases occurred so fast that they could hardly keep up with them.

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And that's the statement by the Air Force that everybody was incompetent or a hostess

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and the fighting started down. It was still occurring but the reports were not coming in.

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The situation arose. The State of the Air Force had checked

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to meet the spike of the flying saucers towards the ground

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and that was in connection with the Armstrong Circle Theater.

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The Armstrong Circle Theater came to my cap and asked if we would help them

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publish a program about flying saucers and if I would appear on the program.

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And I said yes and how long?

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They said one hour and I said what would you suggest?

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I said well one of the things you said there is to try to get an Air Force representative in there.

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I said that we can discuss it. I thought it was to be a panel discussion.

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He said well we'll try it but I don't have much hope.

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He called back later and told me that the Air Force had flatly refused.

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And I suggested to the Base L Air Force that on the program they would make the statement.

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The Air Force was offered the chance to explain its policy and they turned it down.

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I said I don't think they can go for that.

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So they reversed themselves and so they were helped in every way possible.

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But the time the script came down I found out that it was not a panel discussion.

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The Air Force had one whole section that is one third of the show

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and the Air Force assistant secretary wanted it to end with a documental.

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So I ended up with five minutes.

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It was really my fault because I should have put it in writing and insisted on having equal time.

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But later after Rupert who was supposed to have been on back down

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I sensed that he was probably pressured into it.

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At least he didn't appear so I was given about three or four minutes more.

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During the rehearsals I had a statement that I was going to...

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It was in the script and it had been approved over the telephone by the Armstrong Chief Letter.

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It was based on a statement by Captain Rupert in his boat

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and which has been confirmed to me by two intelligence officers.

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He said that it confirmed the existence of four Air Force documents.

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1947 documents saying flying forces were being lowered.

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48 documents saying they were spaceships.

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1952 analysis of beautiful maneuvering for the plane conclusion

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and the 1953 report by a panel of scientists which I mentioned before about the CIA.

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When we looked through the first rehearsal the Air Force officer at Carole Weedon

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didn't happen to hear it and the script had not been copied.

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In the next rehearsal the first minute that copy came in and he knew the feeling.

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He told Rupert, he told the Chief Letter,

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but if I were permitted to say this on the air the Air Force would immediately deny it.

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To say this was false, the documents did not exist and it was found the source was false.

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That meant calling Captain Rupert a liar.

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And I told the Armstrong people that I was going to stick by it because it was true

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and I knew that if necessary Rupert would stand up before Senate Committee and prove it.

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They said they couldn't have any controversy on the air and the programs they had promised the Air Force

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that they wouldn't have anything in there that they didn't approve of.

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So I was a question of take it out or not appear.

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I took it out but I was still burned up when I went on the air and I broke a rule

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and I had left the Senate and so I started to add that the Senate's mentioning our cooperation

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with the Senate subcommittee under John Alexander Mishwell.

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We have been working with this committee since July of 57.

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We had given the committee the names of about 200 witnesses, generals, admals, pilots,

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and all air enforcers and airline captains, witnesses whose names were in command respect

441
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and various civilian fields.

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And the documents proving that the Air Force was going in for double talk

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and was even giving one statement to one senator and a different one to another.

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Well, it looked as though we were doing the head with public hearings.

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I hadn't promised it but they said they had told me to get our board to the subcommittee

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of what we expected to prove in public hearings and when they would make the final decision.

447
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So I started to mention this on the air and was immediately called off.

448
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The Air Force complained later that I had not been cut off more properly

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because part of it was still leaking out over that Edward's microphone.

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Now this was on January 22nd.

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And on that program, Assistant Secretary R.E. Warner appeared and he made the statement

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that absolutely incorrect to believe that the Air Force was resolving any information

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and new air force in the public. And I do not qualify this in any way.

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That was July 22nd. On July 23rd, a letter was signed by Captain Grayley H. Oldenburg,

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Public Information Officer at Langley Air Force Base.

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He was writing to Mr. Larry Bryant, a member of NICAP.

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NICAP, he had at, Bryant had asked for permission to put an ad in the Langley Clio,

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which is the official baseman's paper.

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In the ad was something to suffocate.

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I would like to hear from those interested in forming a local affiliate of a National Investigations Network,

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that means NICAP, on the origin of flying saucers and other identified and other about outfakes.

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Activities would include the investigation of fighting with the public dissemination of the data, so okay.

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I hear from Captain Oldenburg, sir.

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I object to the running of this ad, I objected when I first heard of it, to the running of this ad in the paper,

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because I felt it would encourage Air Force personnel to violate President Air Force policy,

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and specifically Air Force Regulation 200 Base 2.

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Reference to the two, reference to two advertisements you presented to me on 20th January,

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I cannot plan permission for these advertisements to appear in the Langley Clio,

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although the wording of these two ads has been changed.

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It is my belief that one of the objectives of your organization is the public dissemination of data on UFOs.

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As I pointed out to you on January 20th, this is John Craig Air Force Policy and Regulation,

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signed Captain Oldenburg, USAF Information Officer.

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I have been sent to the picture of Air Force, saying there's nothing being hidden,

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and out in the field, his officers are refusing to let anything come out.

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February says the Air Force released this new edition of its Regulation,

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which I have in my own document.

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That is the John Chiefs of Staff Order, which prevents anyone who's made an official report from revealing his content.

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This is a new order by the Air Force, February 4th,

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which prevents anyone in the Air Force to reveal information on an unidentified flying object,

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unless the object can be explained away as a normal thing, like an aircraft, a balloon or a bird, or maybe or something like that.

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Any unsolved sightings must be referred to intelligence,

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and all that anyone can say, even the commanding officer base, is that they're being investigated,

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and they cannot be released without approval at the Pentagon.

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That was February 6th. On February 19th, Secretary Horner,

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Assistant Secretary Horner wrote Senator Norwhore, whom I've already mentioned,

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and talks about my being cut off the air, and said it was unfortunate that I had departed from the Scrooge, which is true.

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He said, this is absolutely incorrect for me or for anyone else to make a statement that the Air Force is withholding the information from the public.

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And now they're even passing it on to the Senate, or to the Congressman.

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However, the situation now has grown down to this, but it's enough public interest in the United States.

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We have members in 47 states, and many of them are writing their centers in Congress, and asking for public hearings.

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There are enough people on Capitol Hill who believe that this should be out in the open.

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There are hundreds of pilots who said that if they are called before the Senate or House to make, they will tell the truth.

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They will tell that they will say that they cited these things, that some of them are maneuvering on the airways,

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where they appear even to be a possible danger, and that they have been told to keep them out of sight.

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As recently as three weeks ago, I had a discussion with an officer who is still on active duty in the Pentagon.

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He said, you're probably known by now, but there is fear back of the censorship.

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I had heard it stated three times, or rather I heard it stated once, and heard out two cases, where Air Force officers had told radio and TV commentators

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they could not have anyone on the pro-band to discuss the selfie.

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In one case, an officer had, without thinking, had promised that he would procure somebody from the Pentagon to come over and talk to them about the subject.

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And later he retracted it, and when he was asked why, he said, he blurted out, we don't want to fight in the American public.

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That almost in the same words was stated to Mr. Luke Corbin, WSBR in Baltimore, a few months later.

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Corbin tricked another Air Force officer who was on a program on another subject by saying right in the middle of it,

503
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but why are you keeping all these UFO report secrets?

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And the officer didn't answer it, but that later he jumped Corbin for springing this on him.

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And Corbin said, well, I am right as a citizen to ask the question, and what's wrong with it? Why shouldn't we know?

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And the man said, what good would it be to know?

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To why keep it secret, so we don't want to fight in the public.

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And what could be the reasons for fear?

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The original one told to me by an Air Force intelligence major was, fear of hysteria.

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Most people couldn't take the idea that we were being observed by a race from another world.

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But that idea, that reason, although some still quote it, is partly abandoned because many other astronomers today have said over and over

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that there must be millions, perhaps even billions of inhabited planets in the universe, as well as bad and intelligent as any other.

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Of course, that's speculation, but it's based on what they know it takes to have life evolve on a planet.

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So the next reason, aside from the fear of general excitement in hysteria, was that there is an accident.

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Planes had disappeared chasing these things, and some of the planes had been forced down and one or two of them hadn't come back.

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Well, that still is rather nebulous because there have been thousands of fighting where nothing has happened, so there could still be accidents.

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:05,000
A more solid reason was the fear that perhaps whoever controls these objects might be, they might be creatures that would be different from us.

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For some time scientists have been saying that by the law of averages, there might be a few planets where the eggs would resemble earthlings.

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But the possibility was very remote and most of the creatures were being totally different.

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Recently, William Ray came up with an article which he said that the so-called invaders from space would look exactly like the man next to the man who went next door, and he gave his reasons for it.

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The figures just lately analyzed by some of the top planets and space travel planets indicate that there are so many inhabited planets that there must be some that would be almost identical to the earth and size.

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So we have the same probability, and the atmosphere probably would be about the same, and on some of these evolution would have begun at approximately the same period.

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So we might expect a number of races that would be like us, but that's the chance that there might be others is one reason that was suggested to me.

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And the final reason was based on a theory set forth by Colonel William O'Dell, Air Force Intelligence, who prepared this for publication and was later told he couldn't use it with his name and rank.

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And that was the idea that we were being observed by scouting parties from another planet which was dying.

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Well, they were searching for a planet similar enough to their own so that they could move in.

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Even if they were friendly, you could see what effect it would have if you would suggest that we were going to be a host to a strange race from some other world.

528
01:02:53,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Of course that was Mary, one intelligence Colonel, theory, but it has also been brought forth.

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Besides all that, I have a feeling that there is something else behind this desperate determination to keep the facts from the American people.

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You can sense it when you talk with people who formerly were fairly open-mouthed.

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The Navy captain told me a remarkable Navy sighting sometime ago and promised to try to run it down for me a little more information.

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The last time I saw him, I reminded him of it and he said, you must have talked with somebody else. I never heard of that.

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And I said, look, I was sitting right here and Commander Soilfield was sitting here and he said, well, he's out of town and I will get this from Commander Soilfield comes back.

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He too will say that I was talking with somebody else, but these are very sincere honest men who don't like to secrecy, but they've apparently been told not to talk anymore.

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There may be something that we don't know, but I think the evidence indicates that there is no hostility behind these operations.

536
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,000
They are machines of some kind, parts superior to anything on earth.

537
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We are trying to duplicate the method of propulsion, which seems to involve artificial gravity.

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At Grand Martin, the vice president in charge of advanced design sometime ago stated that we were on the threshold of a device which would operate three of the earth's gravity.

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That's the last time he ever made a public statement on that subject, but it's on the record.

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We have 20 projects in this country working on gravity control.

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And if we can succeed and probably reach out within the next two or three years, we may be able to duplicate the so-called flying saucers.

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01:04:43,000 --> 01:05:04,000
It's been suggested that the policy people, the Salish Group, hope to keep this all under wraps until we do have something which could possibly offer us a defense against any hostility if there should be some attack by these unknowable races.

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I think that too is a weak answer, but at night out in Washington, the feeling of the board and most of the advisors and the majority of the members,

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is that it's wrong to keep the facts from the public. Whatever the answer is, we should not let the citizens see the democracy.

545
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:30,000
And if there is any danger, we can take it just as we've taken the danger rage bomb.

546
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:44,000
The fact that we could be wiped out very quickly with H bombs from submarines fired from both coasts and followed up by various bombers and pretty soon missiles, that doesn't seem to worry us too much.

547
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People of course don't like it, but I don't think many of us are losing sleep over it. We accept it.

548
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The same thing would happen if we were to have an official announcement by the Air Force or by the President of the United States that these things are real objects and are probably interplanetary.

549
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There would be big headlines for weeks, or perhaps two weeks, and front-page stories for a long time, and it would change our lives to some extent.

550
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There would be an impact, but I think that people would keep on going to movies and watching television shows and getting married and so on.

551
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I think life would go on, and we do have the right to know. There also could be advantages. We might learn things about technology and medicine.

552
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We might learn how to do it without wars. We did make contact with some of that phrase.

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So I would like to urge you before we turn to the question period, if you are at all concerned with this problem, write to a condoistman, your senator, and ask that there be open hearings on this subject.

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Say that you will not be satisfied with the mini-gross handout in the Air Force, because it does not cover the facts.

555
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If you are interested in obtaining any of the information we have at NCAP, you can write to us, NICAP, or the National Investigations Committee, at 1536 Connecticut Avenue in Washington, D.C.

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Even just NICAP, Washington, D.C., usually reaches us. We hope to be able to break the silence on this before the end of the year.

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There are indications that there may be some surprising admissions, and I hope that some of you here will help to force action on Capitol Hill so that we will know the truth before the end of 58, because one thing is certain, we are not alone in the universe.

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Thank you.